abracadabra102
07-18 04:12 PM
Sc3 and other friends. Here is what has triggered this bad blood on the forum
Apr VB EB2 is U and EB3 is doing well every one is normal exactly like every other VB no surge of threads and replies everything is normal
July VB Eb2 is in Apr 2004 and Eb3 is in U again every thing is normal
Aug VB Now suddenly Eb2 is 2006 and Eb3 is U ( no change) and all of a sudden there is a flood of e-mails complaining injustice against EB3. I think the timing of when Eb3 folks realized injuistice is what ticked off many.
I am not saying every one shares this feeling but just the sheer volumes of posting on this thread speaks for itself. I am sure many do not agree with me (or least pretent not to agree) Any one can query Eb3 injuistice posting before Aug VB and compare it since this bulletin was posted and see the data speaks for itself we do not need any body to prove anything
In fact looking at statistics posted by sachug22 here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265004&postcount=20), it looks like it is EB2 that got shafted all along and finally DOS/USCIS realized their folly and tried to correct the spillover rule starting this april (as explained in July'08 bulletin). This re-interpretation does not affect EB3-I negatively. I do not know why so many are getting riled up over EB2 progress.
Apr VB EB2 is U and EB3 is doing well every one is normal exactly like every other VB no surge of threads and replies everything is normal
July VB Eb2 is in Apr 2004 and Eb3 is in U again every thing is normal
Aug VB Now suddenly Eb2 is 2006 and Eb3 is U ( no change) and all of a sudden there is a flood of e-mails complaining injustice against EB3. I think the timing of when Eb3 folks realized injuistice is what ticked off many.
I am not saying every one shares this feeling but just the sheer volumes of posting on this thread speaks for itself. I am sure many do not agree with me (or least pretent not to agree) Any one can query Eb3 injuistice posting before Aug VB and compare it since this bulletin was posted and see the data speaks for itself we do not need any body to prove anything
In fact looking at statistics posted by sachug22 here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=265004&postcount=20), it looks like it is EB2 that got shafted all along and finally DOS/USCIS realized their folly and tried to correct the spillover rule starting this april (as explained in July'08 bulletin). This re-interpretation does not affect EB3-I negatively. I do not know why so many are getting riled up over EB2 progress.
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rishikesh75
05-28 03:33 PM
All,
I visited the local office at Waukegan (Chicago suburb) last week to apply for SSN for my wife (H1 & EAD) and my minor son (H4) and was surprised to see SSN card in my mail box today for both of them!! :) (frankly I was expecting to see a denial letter for my son). Sequence of events
Me: submitted SSN form, passport for my minor Son
SSN officer: Upon seeing the visa. We do not accept application for h4 w/o work authorization
Me: I produced the printout of SSN provision 20 C.F.R. � 422.104(a)(3) and informed here that I need to apply for Federal benefit (stimulus package) and for that I would need one
SSN Officer: Oh yea..Oh yea.. there is a provision and she accepted the application
My sons SSN card displays "Not authorized to work".Thanks to Totoro posting the information on 05/03/2008.
link http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18907
I visited the local office at Waukegan (Chicago suburb) last week to apply for SSN for my wife (H1 & EAD) and my minor son (H4) and was surprised to see SSN card in my mail box today for both of them!! :) (frankly I was expecting to see a denial letter for my son). Sequence of events
Me: submitted SSN form, passport for my minor Son
SSN officer: Upon seeing the visa. We do not accept application for h4 w/o work authorization
Me: I produced the printout of SSN provision 20 C.F.R. � 422.104(a)(3) and informed here that I need to apply for Federal benefit (stimulus package) and for that I would need one
SSN Officer: Oh yea..Oh yea.. there is a provision and she accepted the application
My sons SSN card displays "Not authorized to work".Thanks to Totoro posting the information on 05/03/2008.
link http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18907
BharatPremi
07-05 11:01 AM
This is pathetic and hysterical at the same time. I cannot believe this. :D
After giving all b..t answers she was asking me Do you need any other help sir? And I was like.. Ya... Just b..t down and I will show you what USCIS just did on July 2nd to us. We still can not sit properly :)
After giving all b..t answers she was asking me Do you need any other help sir? And I was like.. Ya... Just b..t down and I will show you what USCIS just did on July 2nd to us. We still can not sit properly :)
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kshitijnt
06-24 12:15 PM
The staffer immediately asked me if I was calling about Lofgren bills.
She noted my name and number and asked me if I had contacted my local congressman as well. And then she said she will pass on the message.
She noted my name and number and asked me if I had contacted my local congressman as well. And then she said she will pass on the message.
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Karthikthiru
06-08 04:45 PM
Yes that is correct. We should take such discussions in private
Karthik
Karthik
smuggymba
03-27 10:23 AM
Joker from "The Dark Knight" said the same thing. Leave this pattern of thinking. United we stand and divided we fall. I am not talking ONLY to you here.....
Are you high from last night. That's exactly what I said - donate and be united. I don't have time to argue - I'm outta here.
Are you high from last night. That's exactly what I said - donate and be united. I don't have time to argue - I'm outta here.
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columban
06-09 01:04 AM
All,
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
###
Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
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Totoro
06-19 03:45 PM
hey
I didnt mean to offend you... i really appreciate the awareness (and hope) that you have brought to this issue.
I apologize if my selection of words have hurt you or anybody else in this forum.
No offense taken. It just gets a bit frustrating when it feels like I am taking on all of this by myself. In fact, there have been a lot of frustrations in this process, but I won't go into them here, because most are personal and not relevant to the discussion. I haven't heard from the lawyers in two weeks, so I should probably touch base with them to see what is going on.
I didnt mean to offend you... i really appreciate the awareness (and hope) that you have brought to this issue.
I apologize if my selection of words have hurt you or anybody else in this forum.
No offense taken. It just gets a bit frustrating when it feels like I am taking on all of this by myself. In fact, there have been a lot of frustrations in this process, but I won't go into them here, because most are personal and not relevant to the discussion. I haven't heard from the lawyers in two weeks, so I should probably touch base with them to see what is going on.
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03-28 05:10 PM
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Dakota Newfie
02-13 07:19 AM
I am a healthcare professional on an H-1B because I am not a nurse nor a PT so I don't fit into that elite Schedule A Club! Ironically, there is a far greater shortage of professionals in my field than in nursing (PT's are still in high demand), but I don't qualify for Schedule A so I'm stuck between two worlds. To be quite honest, I'd rather be stuck in limbo with you guys than to be grouped with them any way! Keep hoping, keep smiling and something good will happen!
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NolaIndian32
05-01 09:48 PM
New total is at $9,211.
We have crossed 9K... now lets get this past 10K.
We have crossed 9K... now lets get this past 10K.
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09-06 01:13 PM
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chanduv23
12-01 09:02 AM
Good decisions, to move on with part time studies
Call "Circuit" if you have any issues and he will come to your help :)
Call "Circuit" if you have any issues and he will come to your help :)
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kumar1305
01-12 09:55 AM
If we fight we lose once, if we do not we lose every time we don't. IV has nothing to lose if it can at least talk to a very good attorney. I'm not a lawyer but there could many ambiguous statements in it, and good attorney could make use of them to fight.
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itsmesabby
06-12 03:24 PM
Hi,
Can you please tell which center did you file for your AP renewal and how much time did it took for it to be approved ?
Thanks
Can you please tell which center did you file for your AP renewal and how much time did it took for it to be approved ?
Thanks
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07-18 03:08 PM
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tawlibann
03-20 04:57 PM
You are certainly entitled to your interpretation and Mr. Gotcher is entitled to his but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a ploy to increase more traffic. I am not sure if you are an attorney but he is and he certainly has more understanding of immigration law than most of us here. As with any law and immigration in particular, there is room left for interpretation and Mr. Gotcher is simply stating his point of view. You are more than welcome to disagree with him but I wouldn't call him greedy.
According to posters on Mr Gotcher's forum, there are law firms that are already preparing class-action lawsuits on behalf of I-485 applicants who claim to have been disadvantaged by the change of interpretation in the April bulletin. I don't see anything wrong with Mr Gotcher discussing the issue to clarify different interpretations, and even determine whether these potential lawsuits have good chances of succeeding. This issue and potential outcomes are equally important to both EB-2 India and EB-3 ROW people.
According to posters on Mr Gotcher's forum, there are law firms that are already preparing class-action lawsuits on behalf of I-485 applicants who claim to have been disadvantaged by the change of interpretation in the April bulletin. I don't see anything wrong with Mr Gotcher discussing the issue to clarify different interpretations, and even determine whether these potential lawsuits have good chances of succeeding. This issue and potential outcomes are equally important to both EB-2 India and EB-3 ROW people.
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goel_ar
03-29 10:35 AM
I read the news too at The Oh Law Firm (http://www.immigration-law.com/)
Hope this hold and comes true. All the best to my brothers and me.
Happy over one-week movement?
Hope this hold and comes true. All the best to my brothers and me.
Happy over one-week movement?
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raju123
02-11 11:30 AM
I know, what you said and I agree as well. It is universal truth that every one has priority. We know the science experimental story:
Monkey mother and her small kid were trap inside the water tank and water is slowly rise. Mother took care of her kid and hold to her belly. Water further rose and she hold her kid to chest. water further rose and she hold kid on her head. Now water come to her nose and she tried to stand on her toe. Still water was rising and finally she threw her kid and stand on her and tried to survive.
Moral of the story:
Compete America is pushing H1B/EB together but when they will have only one to select, they will go for H1B. I don't see any thing wrong on it.
Think that If IV have only one choice between EB provision and H1B. What IV will select?
I know CA promotes both , but issue is whether they do that equally.
I have a feeling h1b is more on agenda.
Just that you belive what they are saying....either way u will see when h1b gets increased without eb reform.
Monkey mother and her small kid were trap inside the water tank and water is slowly rise. Mother took care of her kid and hold to her belly. Water further rose and she hold her kid to chest. water further rose and she hold kid on her head. Now water come to her nose and she tried to stand on her toe. Still water was rising and finally she threw her kid and stand on her and tried to survive.
Moral of the story:
Compete America is pushing H1B/EB together but when they will have only one to select, they will go for H1B. I don't see any thing wrong on it.
Think that If IV have only one choice between EB provision and H1B. What IV will select?
I know CA promotes both , but issue is whether they do that equally.
I have a feeling h1b is more on agenda.
Just that you belive what they are saying....either way u will see when h1b gets increased without eb reform.
mhathi
03-13 05:01 PM
Well...I am one of us stuck in EB3. I do qualify for EB2 but my employer choose to file it under EB3. I recently invoked AC21 and moved over to a new employer on my EAD. Is there a way I can ask my new employer if they can file new I140 under EB2 and change my category to EB2?
I am in almost exactly the same situation as you... I wonder if this can be done as well... On the other hand, as long as AC21 and EAD are prevalent (as long as we can indeed get 3 yr EAD) it is atleast not as bad for us...
I pity the poor guys who could not file in july for whatever reason and are stuck in EB3 with a later PD
I am in almost exactly the same situation as you... I wonder if this can be done as well... On the other hand, as long as AC21 and EAD are prevalent (as long as we can indeed get 3 yr EAD) it is atleast not as bad for us...
I pity the poor guys who could not file in july for whatever reason and are stuck in EB3 with a later PD
mbartosik
09-27 12:36 AM
Two attorneys at Fragomen definitely went beyond call of duty for me on two separate occasions.
My prior comments stand:
1) Felt like object when employer contracted them.
2) Much better service when I contracted them directly.
Expensive.
It will depend on which attorney and paralegal you get.
Over 8 years, I've got through several paralegals there.
Some were great (but expensive), others were not.
In my job, software, some engineers are great, some are idiots (thankfully I don't work directly with any - incase boss is reading), and many are average (by definition). Same I am sure applies in most fields.
If you get a bad one from a big firm, and either complain (if you are the customer) and nothing happens, or you get two bad ones in a row from a big firm, then yes the big firm may be reasonably characterized as bad. However, if you have only had one attorney with a big firm then it may be unfair to characterize the firm based on that one attorney.
My prior comments stand:
1) Felt like object when employer contracted them.
2) Much better service when I contracted them directly.
Expensive.
It will depend on which attorney and paralegal you get.
Over 8 years, I've got through several paralegals there.
Some were great (but expensive), others were not.
In my job, software, some engineers are great, some are idiots (thankfully I don't work directly with any - incase boss is reading), and many are average (by definition). Same I am sure applies in most fields.
If you get a bad one from a big firm, and either complain (if you are the customer) and nothing happens, or you get two bad ones in a row from a big firm, then yes the big firm may be reasonably characterized as bad. However, if you have only had one attorney with a big firm then it may be unfair to characterize the firm based on that one attorney.
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